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Liberty & Rights : IIPM vs Blogosphere: What is the fuss all about?
Posted by Admin on 22, October, 2005 (1262 reads)
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Vineet Rai posts on Global Voices Online

still wondering what the fuss is all about??? A person decided to criticise an institute, the insti filed a case, the person decided to quit from his company thinking the company is facing trouble and all with personal choices.

So where is the problem. IF IIPM is fake and fraud it would get proven in the court where they filed the case, why are we going ballastic about the Indian government and right of free speech!!!!

I think IIPM does have a right to sue Gaurav if it believe about not being a fraud insti, and Gaurav should do the same as well ( may be all the bloggers can fund him to do that

how about that?

A typical view perhaps.. but needs to be addressed. I attempt a reply:.....

Vineet rai, (above)
The Institute did NOT file a case, but rather tried to uses its (financial) clout to threaten a ordinary citizen into silence. It tried to exhort an unimaginable amount for an action which ordinarily is a right of everyone - free expression. IIPM assumes that the information posted by Gaurav is malafide, factually wrong and amounting to crores of liablility to be paid to it. Just as IIPM assertains that the articles posted on Gaurav's blog are false, why can't and shouldn't Gaurav or JAM or anybody question the factuality of IIPM's claims in its advertisements?

The threatening is no different from a bully using his size to intimidate a somebody smaller.

Your post smacks of gross apathy to understand what is at stake.

The IBM/Lenovo Company made it clear to Gaurav that it is concerned. These are the subtly ways in which Corporates work. If they need to make somebody quit, they need not issue yellow chits, rather, they can make the environment unconductive for the victim who will have no choice but to leave 'On his own decision'.
HR are trained to handle such situations in a way that it does not come accross as scandalous. The matter is in between the lines when Gaurav says that he was called for a meeting. If IBM/Lenovo just did not care about the whole Blog thing, the meeting would have gone differently. Afterall, it goes without saying that the blog is a reflection of the personal views of Gaurav and in no way is associated with his employers.

IIPM may have a right to sue. But not to threaten. If it had filed a libel suit, the court would have sent the summons order. Here, IIPM chose to send the Summons order itself taking law into its own hands, arbitarily assuming the powers and privileges of a judicial authority.

About proving in courts, do we have to defend our freedom to express ourselves EVERYTIME in the courts? Is it possible for normal citizens to appear and fight huge corparations in court everytime a corporation takes offense at our free speech? Won't the whole thing about courts and associated difficulties itself prove to be a barrier to freespeech? Would it not effectively stiffen everybody into silence?

Due to archaiac laws in India, already nobody comes to any victim's help in accidents and such situations owing to the fact that these involve police procedures, court appearances and harrasment from those bodies which surely inconvenience the ordinary joe.

Online however, the Bloggers have taken a stance to stand up and fight without shying away. This is a paradigm shift in general mentality and should by all means, be encouraged.

So when you ask, 'where is the problem', think again.


Neha Viswanathan: eloquently puts it in reply to another post:

Freedom of speech isn’t limited to wrestling with government regulations, but being able to have and to express an opinion in an environment charged with power. The power could be sourced from culture, history, money, trade, resource-control. Traditionally the government has represented all these power exchanges, but even outside the orbit of the government there are forces that control our rights.

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Posted: 2005/11/4 12:04  Updated: 2005/11/4 12:04
 Re: IIPM vs Blogosphere: What is the fuss all about?
I think you do not know that to stand for your views comes at a cost in any society anywhere in the world. So if gaurav chose to write and his employer used some HR trick to convey to him that he is not needed where is the issue of freedom of expression. They did not gag him from writing.

By the way sending a summon directly is a very common practice and does not amount to assuming Judicial powers.

Have you heard about Indian cricket players not being allowed to speak to the media or maintaining a personal blog !!!

And Listen pal, i do not create a virtual world to fight, I have spent all my life doing things in real.

So if you want to do something, get real and do not spend time figting in this make believe virtual world you may all get a bit more educated of how many more complex challenges need time and effort.

And Yes I am apathetic to this whole drama :)

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Posted: 2005/11/4 14:23  Updated: 2005/11/4 14:23
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 Re: IIPM vs Blogosphere: What is the fuss all about?
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So if gaurav chose to write and his employer used some HR trick to convey to him that he is not needed where is the issue of freedom of expression. They did not gag him from writing.


So you seriously believe that the only way to curtail somebody's freedom to expression is by gagging him into silence or chopping off fingers?

The HR did not try to convey to him that 'he is not needed', but instead, they tried to force him into withdrawing his blog remarks. Do not try to twist the facts please. He resigned in protest.

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By the way sending a summon directly is a very common practice and does not amount to assuming Judicial powers.


Where? In China? Ok, then, Here is a Summon for you from me. Appear exactly in 10 seconds at my office lest I send some uniforms to arrest you. Now, I am not assuming judicial powers, just threatening. Actually, they are both. And this is what IIPM did.

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Have you heard about Indian cricket players not being allowed to speak to the media or maintaining a personal blog !!!

Apples and Oranges.
Gaurav was not talking about his job or IBM. And also, Gaurav did not sign any pre-employment agreement not to maintain private blogs. Indian cricketeers on the other hand are perfectly allowed to talk about the fantastic soap they are using, or the cola they gulp and so on. They are only restricted from speaking to journalists about their work, cricket and stuff.. and that too, on occasions.

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And Listen pal, i do not create a virtual world to fight, I have spent all my life doing things in real.


First, I am not your 'pal', and neither do I have to lisen, but rather, READ you.
If you do not 'create a virtual world to fight', what the heck are you doing right now, right here on THIS 'virtual world'?
And pray, how do you write a blog in real? Too bad you got lost out on the news that the virtual world of the internet is NON different from the real world.

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So if you want to do something, get real and do not spend time figting in this make believe virtual world you may all get a bit more educated of how many more complex challenges need time and effort.

Thanks for the education. This is for real. IIPM got screwed and its for real. This make-believe world can do real things in real time. Ask your Dr. A. Chaudari.

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And Yes I am apathetic to this whole drama :)

Thanks for clarifying that: We almost thought your efforts are just a means of killing time.

And thanks once more for stopping by.

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Posted: 2005/11/5 14:23  Updated: 2005/11/5 14:23
 Re: IIPM vs Blogosphere: What is the fuss all about?
YOu are funny :))

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